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According to public opinion polls, support for repeal remains strong among the American people despite President Obama's prediction that once his favorite bill was enacted into law we would like it. In addition, 200 distinguished economics experts, mostly professors of economics, signed a letter predicting that an implementation of ObamaCare will be a barrier to job growth and inflict us with a crushing debt burden, and is not real health care reform.
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Seeded on Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:28 PM EST
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The House should hold weekly hearings in order to dispel the misinformation we are fed by the liberals, such as the foolish notion that government health care in other countries is more efficient and less costly. Tens of thousands of foreigners come to the U.S. every year for medical treatment because they know they have a better survival rate here.
with Robert Gibbs Gone..the president is gonna need a new minister of propaganda
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#1 - Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:30 PM ESTJoe 1,
I agree with you. Gibbs is so incompetent, and the truth is that he should leave sooner for the sake of all people. I have a suggestion for our Dear President (if he listens to the People): how about the "exiled" Van Jones, or Obama's trusted friend, Valerie Jarrett, or even Obama's mentor, Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright. They all would fit Gibb's post quite well.
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According to public opinion polls, support for repeal remains strong among the American people despite President Obama's prediction that once his favorite bill was enacted into law we would like it. In addition, 200 distinguished economics experts, mostly professors of economics, signed a letter predicting that an implementation of ObamaCare will be a barrier to job growth and inflict us with a crushing debt burden, and is not real health care reform.
This is not from the article, right? So what polls show "support for repeal remains strong among the American people"? 200 distinguished Republican economics experts.
272 economists support the health reform law
I think there is one fact regarding the health care debate we can all agree upon: it is bad for insurance companies, therefore a lot of politicians are going to be against it regardless of its potential.
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Even Democrats know or should know that the CBO figures are rigged. Their figures assume 10 years of income and 6 years of expenses. Their figures assume medicare payments to doctors will decrease. It hasn't happened, and more than likely won't happen. Reality is appearing. Waivers of enforcing Obamacare are significant in numbers. Another decision has been made that Obamacare is unconstitutional. The conniving and misinformation are nearing an end. The ouster of Obama and more Democrats is a growing possibility.
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#2 - Mon Jan 31, 2011 7:35 PM ESTEven Democrats know or should know that the CBO figures are rigged
I don't know Wolfie..they seem to want to remain like the ostrich with his head buried in the sand
Reality is appearing
Another Eventuality that Dems don't like to face
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wolf 2,
Even Democrats know or should know that the CBO figures are rigged. Their figures assume 10 years of income and 6 years of expenses
Spot on, as usual.
Another decision has been made that Obamacare is unconstitutional.
Yes, cheers.
I agree entirely with your excellent comments!
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Wolf Wolfman
Even Democrats know or should know that the CBO figures are rigged. Their figures assume 10 years of income and 6 years of expenses.
Any proof to back up what you are saying? Any analysis or figures or studies or anything? In other words, why would anybody believe what you are saying as opposed to believing the CBO?
Their figures assume medicare payments to doctors will decrease. It hasn't happened, and more than likely won't happen. Reality is appearing.
Again, how do you know? What are you basing your conclusions upon? Further, how did the CBO come up with its conclusions?
- 1 vote
Now all we need to is repeal Obama and the recovery can begin
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#3 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 11:10 AM ESTThe error the Florida judge made was to condemn the whole law as unconstitutional when only one segment has even been drawn under constitutional scrutiny. There is a sever-ability clause written into the law that provides for any one section to be struck without striking the entire law on constitutional grounds. By overstepping his authority here and condemning the entire law this judge has given lots of material for the defense in a higher court.
What happened??? I thought you guys on the right didn't like judges legislating from the bench.
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#4 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 1:41 PM ESTNo you cannot cherry pick the bill, its unconstitutional period. What is the matter you folks on the left do not like being told something is unconstitutional ? If it is so good why do you have to enforce with a gun ?
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WILDWONDERFUL; Please re-read this line from my post #4:
There is a sever-ability clause written into the law that provides for any one section to be struck without striking the entire law on constitutional grounds.
The only part of the law cited as being unconstitutional by the Florida judge is the section about the individual mandate to buy insurance. The rest of the law was left out of his decision.
This Reagan appointed judge has overstepped his authority to declare the entire law as unconstitutional. He just wants to give you all something to cheer about.
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You can not sever laws that is unconstitutional. If judges were allowed to sever laws then they would be writing the laws. Obama scare was rushed through and never even read by our lawmakers. Again if its so good why you have to force it down peoples throats ?
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Here is an example of a sever-ability clause WILDWONDERFUL;
If any provision or provisions of this law shall be held to be invalid, illegal, unenforceable or in conflict with the law of any jurisdiction, the validity, legality and enforceability of the remaining provisions shall not in any way be affected or impaired thereby.
It's legalese to be sure and such a clause is written into complex legislation more often than it is not.
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Why do you want something that is forced down your throat ? What is next ? Havent you learned anything from observing Social Insecurity ?
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Bill 4.4.
Here are excerpts from Judge Vinson’s 78-page opinion, " in which he ruled (1) that Obamacare’s individual mandate is unconstitutional, and (2) that since the individual mandate is “the keystone or lynchpin” of the entire act, upon its removal the entire 2,700-page act must be invalidated." [1]
- In other words, the individual mandate is indisputably necessary to the Act’s insurance market reforms, which are, in turn, indisputably necessary to the purpose of the Act….
- In the final analysis, this Act has been analogized to a finely crafted watch, and that seems to fit. It has approximately 450 separate pieces, but one essential piece (the individual mandate) is defective and must be removed. It cannot function as originally designed. There are simply too many moving parts in the Act and too many provisions dependent
- I must conclude that the individual mandate and the remaining provisions are all inextricably bound together in purpose and must stand or fall as a single unit. The individual mandate cannot be severed….
- Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire Act must be declared void….[1]
[1] Excerpts from the ruling: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/excerpts-todays-obamacare-ruling_537794.html?page=1
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chouchou #4.6...Thank you. Here is additional information:
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wolf 4.7,
Thanks and great information.
Although, to be fair: Bill Nelson obviously didn’t read the original bill, either. In that, at least, this indicates a certain consistency.
I find that astonishing, for what Obama & Co. have tried and are still trying will full force to impose on every single American a new way of life in healthcare, not to mention the breaking the bank spending, and yet they are playing "games" with severability clauses. Is it Halloween yet---trick or treat?
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The sever-ability clause was an 11th hour thing that they made sure we took all of it. Slit their own throats in doing so.
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As for repeal, only about one in four say they want to do away with the law completely.
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#5 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 2:40 PM ESTThe last time I checked about 64% of Americans were for the law. Isn't that a majority??
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#5.2...Laws and the constitution are supposed to rule the country; not majorities. However, majorities can vote legislators and presidents out of office.
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The last time I checked about 64% of Americans were for the law. Isn't that a majority??
When was that gm in April of 2009
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According to public opinion polls, support for repeal remains strong among the American people
The last time I checked, that was the first sentence from the article, and it appears that it is patently untrue.
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gm: do you ever look at any polls for your information?
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law
58% Favor Repeal of Health Care Law, But Confidence in Repeal Is Down.
Seems like #5.2 is an outright lie. Sorry but, I did link to my information to show facts.
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Wolf Wolfman
#5.2...Laws and the constitution are supposed to rule the country
Laws and the interpretation of the Constitution are a moving target, not a brick wall. For example, what was once a good Republican idea is now unConstitutional.
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Actually, it was shot down by the democrats for the same reason back when republicans brought it up. Same constitution, different idiots in office.
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It should be noted that the individual mandate to buy insurance was originally a republicon idea from the Nixon administration.
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#6 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 3:05 PM ESTIt should be noted that the individual mandate to buy insurance was originally a republicon idea from the Nixon administration.
That's fine Bill..it was stupid then just as it is stupid now
wanna know why? Because the primary beneficiary is the health care industry..think of it..the government tells you you need to buy this health care or that or else you will be fined...can't think of a reason the health care industry would oppose that
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/28230242/The-Individual-Mandate
I think you need to get an Encyclopedia Bill..I'm sure they have them online today..make it easy on yourself
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#7 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:03 PM ESTWould you like to know how bad this is REALLY? This decision isn't even being covered as a news story here! What a hoot! Maybe if we don't cover it it will go away. No Cap and Tax, no Obamacare, no global warming, no 55% death tax, no 'recovery Summer', but there's still Gitmo, and Iraq, and Afghanistan. Is this really Barak H.W. Obama? Could be.
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#8 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 4:22 PM ESTI was never in favor of the individual mandate ...and no true progressive ever was. The individual mandate was thrown in as a concession to moderate blue dog Democrats and Republicons.
They took an old republicon idea and put it in as an alternative solution to keep freeloaders from playing the system as they do now... an alternative, that is, to the defeated single payer option.
Now republicons are on the side of the freeloaders and want this previously advocated idea of theirs to be taken out.
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#9 - Tue Feb 1, 2011 8:30 PM ESTYep, the mandate was offered up by the Republicans in 1991.
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According to public opinion polls, support for repeal remains strong among the American people
Only 25 percent of people polled now support repealing the health care law, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll out Monday, compared to 46 percent on Jan. 7, one day before Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was shot in a violent attack in Tuscon, Ariz.
One in four is "strong"? B.S.
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#10 - Wed Feb 2, 2011 7:01 PM ESTYour poll was taken on Jan 17 this one was taken Jan 31
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 58% of Likely Voters at least somewhat favor repeal of the health care law, including 47% who Strongly Favor repeal. Thirty-eight percent (38%) oppose repeal, with 29% who are Strongly Opposed.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law
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#11 - Wed Feb 2, 2011 9:01 PM ESTSo, they polled 172% of Americans. I didn't know we had 172% of Americans.
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How about Gallup's poll.which shows the political side of a contentious and divisive bill, Health care reform known as Obamacare:
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This is a continuation of 11.2 regarding Gallup poll: "Views of Healthcare law repeal, by political party":
The current poll finds the vast majority of Republicans, 78%, in favor of repealing the law, underscoring the degree to which the new Republican leadership is attempting to represent the views of its supporters. Meanwhile, Democrats oppose repeal (64%), but not to the same extent that Republicans favor it. Independents are almost evenly divided in their views, with a substantial proportion (18%) not having an opinion. [1]
vote to repeal
vole to let stand
no opinion
republican
78%
15%
7%
independents
43%
39%
18%
democrats
24%
64%
12%
Gallup --January 4-5 2011
[1] http://www.gallup.com/poll/145496/favor-oppose-repealing-healthcare-law.aspx
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So, they polled 172% of Americans. I didn't know we had 172% of Americans.
That's right gmross...because according to president Obama we now have 57 states
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The republicon owned Rasmussen always lies and slants toward whatever the right wants to hear.
That is a well accepted fact.
Polling expert Nate Silver recently found Rasmussen’s pre-election polls to be some of the most inaccurate and biased of any pollster. He also cited significant issues with Rasmussen’s method of polling and an unwillingness to fully disclose how they conduct his surveys.
- 1 vote
#12 - Thu Feb 3, 2011 7:20 PM EST
- Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen is so significant. Van Hollen has taken the proper step of following the law, which now says that ObamaCare is unconstitutional in its entirety, relieving Wisconsin of any obligation to follow it.
- Instead of accepting continued implementation of the law from Washington, all states should join with the American people in demanding that Barack Obama cease and desist from ignoring the federal court and continuing any actions that implement this invalidated law.[1]
It is up to Obama whether he wants to subject both himself and our nation to that kind of turmoil. For the sake of our nation, let's hope he takes his oath of office seriously, averts a crisis, and follows the law of the land.
[1] http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/561796/201102021812/Obama-Invites-Crisis-If-He-Ignores-Ruling.htm
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#13 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 7:39 AM ESTPutting the word "Obamacare" into a polling question is in itself leading and disingenuous. That is not the name of the law.
Obama did not write the bill and could not alone, pass it. The law was passed by the house of representatives and the senate of the United States of America.
Ask people if they favor the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and see what the results are.
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#14 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 2:36 PM ESTObama did not write the bill and could not alone, pass it.
Eureka, I agree with you Bill..It took a whole slew of liberals working day and night to pass this unconstitutional monstrosity..People Like Harry Reed, Nancy( "But we have to pass the Bill so you can find out what is in it") Pelousi , Chuckie (Upchuck) schumer and Anthony(Armour Hot Dog) Wiener
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Bill 14,
In truth, I think if you were to :
a) poll any Americans, most people do know what Obamacare is, (though not the content of 2700 pages, however it is National Healthcare that Obama signed and campaigned vigorously for)
b) With respect to your sentiments, of "Putting the word "Obamacare" into a polling question is in itself leading and disingenuous." we better hurry and call the NY Times and The Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC and so on for corrections.
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we better hurry and call the NY Times and The Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC and so on for corrections.
as she says with dripping sarcasm
Your Hysterical girl
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Calling the law Obamacare did not stop judge Vinson from declaring the law unconstitutional. Calling the law Obamacare did not stop the Attorney General of Wisconsin to halt it's implementation in Wisconsin.
"It is likely that before the end of 2011, nullification bills will have been introduced in 20 or more states."
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#15 - Fri Feb 4, 2011 6:03 PM ESTwolf 15,
Joe, let me apologize for going off the topic in this forum.
For your "chuckle", this is extremely funny and accurate at the same time, posted by Dar 63, using the Q&A about Obamacare:
http://mynewsview.newsvine.com/_news/2011/02/05/5992593-hilarious-video-obamacare-we-found-out-whats-in-it?threadId=3045953&commentId=51448749#c51448749
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